6v to 12v Converting.

[terryedmondson]

Is there anyone in this Group that has, or can , produce a Wiring Diagram (Coloured preferably?) for our current and wannabe Leader and Arrow owners to convert from 6v to 12v electrics please? I am trying to finish this conversion at the moment having found differing accounts but no diagram? It could also include an NB about switching from Positive Earth to Negative.

[Roger Gwynn]

To do this these days most people would use one of the electronic rectifier/regulators on the market and follow the instructions with them. Do they not do the job? Draganfly have now made a new battery box so that a 12 volt (pair of 6volt) batteries can be fitted as there isn't a decent 12 volt battery that will replace the original one.

[terryedmondson]

I have a Reg/Rec Roger, and a new loom from Colin. I've been in touch by text to others that have tried to help me but tbh, I get differing ideas. If I had a diagram for the conversion, it would be so much easier.

[Roger Gwynn]

What is the problem you are experiencing and what is the make of the regulator, by Colin do you mean at Draganfly?

[fpassmore]

Wow, I must look at things so very different than others. Electrics is a simple-minded thing. As usual someone overthinking things like colours and coverings.
Wires go from point A to point B colour is immaterial choose your own. Don’t get distracted! Stay focused on a straight or direct path positive is positive and negative is what is opposite.
I know I was in the power engineering industry for near 40 years but one of the first things to understand is it is all just keeping things straight don’t mix power sources.
Frank
ps don’t mean to be horrid about this but there is only people confusing themselves that can go wrong with electrics. Easy for a fellow who used to do generators up to 2.67 Gigawatts for a living. eh?

[terryedmondson]

What is the problem you are experiencing and what is the make of the regulator, by Colin do you mean at Draganfly?

Ok. The loom. I've added to the outside, indicator wiring, all that's good, I've added a Live for them at the Ammeter. On the loom there is two lots of Tails. These are seperated by about 6" The Lower set have the G/W, G/Y and G/B wires and connectors on. I presume these were for the Alternator sub harness . The other Tails have Spade connectors on and they are coloured 2 no G/B, 2 no W/G 2 no N/W and a Red with a ring for earth. This I presume were for the Rectifier. If someone can show me by a drawing how I use a Reg/Rec with a Red, Green, Pink and Yellow wires are connected, please do. As I've said, various text from different sources mention different method but if a drawing was generally available? I think it would help a great deal. I am led to believe I can join directly the wires from the Alternator to the Reg/Rec? Yes Roger, sorry for the slow reply, loom is from Draganfly. I have emailed Colin yesterday but I've yet to get a reply.

[terryedmondson]

Wow, I must look at things so very different than others. Electrics is a simple-minded thing. As usual someone overthinking things like colours and coverings.
Wires go from point A to point B colour is immaterial choose your own. Don’t get distracted! Stay focused on a straight or direct path positive is positive and negative is what is opposite.
I know I was in the power engineering industry for near 40 years but one of the first things to understand is it is all just keeping things straight don’t mix power sources.
Frank
ps don’t mean to be horrid about this but there is only people confusing themselves that can go wrong with electrics. Easy for a fellow who used to do generators up to 2.67 Gigawatts for a living. eh?

Yes, I'm afraid I am one of those folk who like instruction and patience from those better informed. Please don't think I'm a fool? I've built, rebuilt many m/c's, My Leader 36 years ago, the Green Arrow Cafe Racer along with Suzukis, Yamaha's Greeves Triumph's. Cars inc Morris 8, Morris Minor, a long list but I do fail with electrics alright?
You're quite correct, I ask too many people for help and get too much information. I'm 73 so if I can do just about any other task in restoring bikes and cars? I ain't doin' too bad!

[Roger Gwynn]

So if you were wiring the bike as standard with rectifier etc. you would be OK, is that correct?

The only problem you have is with connecting the regulator, again is that correct?
I assume it so as there are not usually any pink wires in a British loom so i assume that this is on the regulator. Did you receive any instructions with the regulator? If not go to the supplier and ask for them.

Frank is right in that usually the people who have trouble with electrics in particular are those that think too hard about it but if you don't understand it and are not 'wired' that way it is difficult. Most of the trouble that I used to have with electronic ignition systems was from 'electronics engineers' who wanted to dismantle, check, test and understand them. Joe Bloggs would, in the main, read the instructions, bolt it on and ride off into the sunset.

[fpassmore]

Ah yes, I do have to apologize. Had my last Chemotherapy on Friday and certainly not in the best frame of mind. Keep with it you will get there

[terryedmondson]

Wow! Sorry to read that? It's ok f? no apology needed. I must admit, after all this time spent building the bike then being unable to get my head round what I now know was really frustrating. Anyway, I had a light bulb moment and I've made that drawing that I will share here when I can work out how to, and on the 2 Stroke forum. Sorry the drawings sideways? One other thing to mention, two actually? 1/ that the tails originally intended to lead from the loom to the Alternator are not used, can be insulated? 2/ My loom has two Brown/White wires that were destined for the Rectifier, I'll use both to connect to the Red shown.
Another thing? This I believe is correct but I'm waiting for confirmation.