3 & 1?

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3 & 1?

Post by simon.holyfield »

No, this is not an oil post - it's a spoking post!

Could somebody please explain the Ariel three in one spoking pattern? I know what it looks like but I am struggling with a wheel and I would benefit from some education.

I've built 6 wheels so far in my time with Ariels using both Ariel original rims with CW spokes but mostly Devon rims and spokes. They have all gone together very easily except this one, which is the front wheel from my 1930 Model A.

Take a look. I believe that I have the pattern right but I've struggled to get the brake side spoke heads to snuggle down into their holes and now with the wheel more or less true the outer spokes on the bright side are not straight.

You can also see that the spokes on the non-brake side suggest the rim and hub are not aligned properly in that the inner and outer spokes on that side are engaged with the nipples differently. It's the outer spokes that are poking through the nipples and the inner spokes that are still within the nipples. Usually with Devon you hardly have to trim the spokes at all.
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The back wheel has gone together beautifully!
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Re: 3 & 1?

Post by Mick D »

Hi Simon

I've not built an early Ariel wheel as yet, but is it normal for the spokes to all 'come' from the same side of the brake drum? other wheels I have built have alternated inside / outside.

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3 in 1 as in the dimple pattern not the spoking pattern that refers to the number of spokes crossed between hub and rim!
The inner brake drum spokes have to bend to go around the outer ones, at least they do on my 1932 front wheel that has never been re-built. I think you are using the correct offset dimple for the outer brake side spoke. As the spokes are all the same length on each side they should sit equally in their nipples. It is difficult to photograph spoking patterns, too much info. You could always pay me a visit and look at my wheel, you could also take away the big box of dating stuff that I have from Bennet!
I have built a similar number of wheels, some have been no bother, occasionally I take it all apart and start again!
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MickD - On later hubs the spoke flange is angled inwards to do just that, the earlier ones the flange is vertical
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Thanks Roger

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