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1937 VH500

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Hi all, I am restoring a 37 VH 500 Twin port which I bought with a blue painted fuel tank, anyway loads of small dents meant it needed a proper repair and re-chrome, but time has come to paint it and I was wondering if anyone had pics or point my in the right direction to find some of a nice original tank paint scheme so I can see the exact shape and coach lines.
Also she has a Burgess exhaust fitted to the left hand side with the right hand port blanked off with what looks to be a blanking cap, anyone ever seen this? I am assuming that its a modification but must have been done ages ago as the chap I bought it off had owned it for the last 50 years and he reckons it was on there when he bought it.
I'll try to post a picture .
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Re: 1937 VH500

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There is quite a lot of random information about tank paint templates and much of it is incorrect so don't take the first piece of advice you get, keep asking until you have a level consensus.

For example, the template on the Danish site for 1937 is incorrect. http://www.arielklubben.dk/tank_templates.html Also, the pattern for a large 500 tank differs from the smaller 350 tank.

For the 1937 season when in the saddle looking down at the top of the tank, the design is vaguely similar to this pattern. (This example is an Indian reproduction so don't take it too seriously)
http://2.wlimg.com/product_images/bc-fu ... 886959.jpg

The 500 tank should have additional paint at the very front where the paint on the top runs down the front. Here is a photo of my 38 tank which has the same.
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Also, the panel in which the instruments are mounted should be painted (not chrome)

Regarding exhausts, there are some discussions on this forum which you can search for especially about the Armours items and how well they fit.
https://www.armoursltd.co.uk
Some heads were single port but it was the right hand side which had the pipe. I assume that someone lost the right pipe so they just blocked up the hole.

The panel here will no doubt make some further observations on some of the parts on your Ariel such as the later forks, unpainted rims, post war headlamp, missing rocker covers etc...

For further reference here are some photos of my old 37 350 which has the smaller tank and the top of the tank has the 1938 pattern so don't copy anything from this tank.
http://www.barkshire.co.uk/bikes/images/ArielNH_1937
Ariel Red Hunter VH1 1938
BSA L27 1927
Velocette MSS 1939
AJS Model 20 1953
Ariel Golden Arrow 1962
Triumph Scrambler 900
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Re: 1937 VH500

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Hi Dave, Thanks for your info, Wheels were painted at sometime, its just worn away, the odd trace is still there both rims marked Dunlop. Valve covers missing , I assume these were just left off when some couldn't be bothered to refit them after adjusting clearances. Headlight sorted, found a good original one.
Anyway main thing now is I didn't know about the forks being later and to be honest I don't know what the difference is could you enlighten me please. Any other comments very welcome as it will all help me get it as right as I can
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Re: 1937 VH500

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From the 1939 season the forks had return springs on the side and you have these.

The tappet covers are pressed steel and chrome plated and I'm not sure that they are available but you could try the AOMCC spares or Draganfly. They are held on by special spring clips.

It might be worth posting some more detailed photos here as there are Arielists much more expert than myself who will be able to tell you what's right/wrong etc.
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Re: 1937 VH500

Post by ray.tolman »

Hi Kevin,
Good to see another 37RH being restored. It will be a nice bike when done.
Have a close look at your rocker boxes. Someone has done a bit of a grinding job on the area where the tappet covers mount. Compare this photo to yours.
rocker_box.jpg
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Re: 1937 VH500

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Hi this is all good info thanks very much, just had a look at the mod on my rocker assy and its a very neat job , to be honest I am happy with some mods, if the correct parts come up I would consider changing it back to original but if not I cant see it doing any harm to be left as is when the valve exposed . I am still intrigued though with this exhaust mod, I just keep wondering if this was intentional rather than someone loosing an exhaust and blanking it off.
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Re: 1937 VH500

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It was fairly common in the day as a lot of people believed ( correctly) that the gas flow was better with only 1 pipe ,as well as being cheaper.

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Re: 1937 VH500

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I have to take issue with Dave Barkshire on the 1937 tank patterns. Not on the difficulty of finding the correct pattern, but on what actually is correct. The Danish template is correct. I attach the copy from the club archives here, with additional information on line thicknesses. The original drawing comes from Roger at Draganfly and was used by them in the days when they used to do restorations. When they gave that up, their drawings, taken from original tanks, were passed to the club. They are dated 1997 or so.

When I restored my 1937 Red Hunter in 1990, I did a lot of research into tank patterns. I was Singles Spares organiser at the time so had contact with a lot of members with original machines. My conclusion on the tank panel layout for 1937 was exactly the same as the template attached. BUT the person who polished the tank and then chromed it thought he knew better and failed to polish the area by the steering head so I was forced to use the 1938 pattern there and hope nobody would notice. I don't recollect anyone doing so but I have since fitted a different tank which is correct. My Red Hunter (HUG 746) has meanwhile appeared in Classic Bike and many photographs. I once turned up at a Stafford show to display the bike, only to find fridge magnets, drinks coasters, etc available for sale there with my bike's number on them !! So the incorrect tank layout on that machine has seen wide publicity. If you have one of those fridge magnets, it shows the wrong tank pattern. (I have just been to the fridge to check.) Even my avatar for this group shows the wrong tank pattern!

Basically, the 1937 pattern of the top panel followed the lines of the tank panel at the front whereas in 1938 it was extended down to the bottom of the tank, as per Dave'e photo. The 1937 and 1938 catalogues (in the club knowledgebase) also confirm this.

So if you want your tank to be correct, follow the attached template but pay due attention to the note telling you that tanks were hand painted and so varied from tank to tank and from one side of a particular tank to the other. So follow the general layout, but fit the panel and knee grips before masking to assist you in getting good lines for the panels.

Good luck, but feel free to contact me off group if you need assistance in the paintwork process. I have been painting and lining my tanks (plus a few for friends) for 25 years now and the concours awards they have taken in that time suggest I am not doing too bade a job.
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Re: 1937 VH500

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Many thanks Paul I may PM you later.
Looking at all this though its made me realise I must get a Dating certificate to try to find out more information, I am going by the log book which says first registered june 1937 I need to make sure this is correct before I move on.
Frame code XF suggests it could be (but could be other years too) , engine code CD suggests its 1938 . Forks Suggest its 1939 .
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Re: 1937 VH500

Post by Dave.Barkshire »

Don't take my comments as gospel Kevin. Paul's knowledge is vastly superior to mine on these matters. Also, Ray Tolman who has added to this thread is a long time 37VH owner and he knows all sorts of details that you have probably not yet thought of.
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