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Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:28 pm
by Bill Mathison
Good day from Canada. My first Ariel was a 1957 VH in 1967. In retirement I have built a VCH road racer, a VH rigid flat tracker, 1938 VH girder road racer, and a John Bartram framed HT. I am now endeavoring to build a VB 600 methanol sprint bike and recently acquired a W/NG 1944 engine. Now I am looking at the cranks from the VB, NH, and VCH. The crank pin location from the centre of the crank. Could someone please help me understand how the strokes can be different on these three cranks, with the pin location equal distant from the crank centre on all three. Thank you. Bill

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:21 pm
by adrie.degraaff
Bill Mathison wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:28 pm with the pin location equal distant from the crank centre on all three. Thank you. Bill
They should be differend stroke NH 85mm, VH 95mm and VB 10.5?

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:00 pm
by Bill Mathison
So Adrie, it is only the rod length that matters. The NH, VH, and VB rod lengths are different. Thanks. Bill

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:34 pm
by Pete.Silson
Bill
So Adrie, it is only the rod length that matters. The NH, VH, and VB rod lengths are different. Thanks. Bill
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From my limited knowledge of engine geometry, I would think that the distance from the crankpin to the centre of rotation is always half the stroke.

Pete

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:28 pm
by adrie.degraaff
Bill Mathison wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:00 pm So Adrie, it is only the rod length that matters.
No read it again, stroke and conrods are differend, in stroke NH, VH, and VB, in conrod shape there is NH, VH, VG and VB.
VH and VG have the same stroke but differend bigend size.

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:55 pm
by Bill Mathison
Thanks Adrie.

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:33 pm
by Roger Gwynn
Except from 1949 when the VG gained the 1" pin. and pre 1935....

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:13 pm
by Bill Mathison
Thanks Roger, Ardie and Pete. Tomorrow's job is about measuring and calculating with these orphan connecting rods that I have inherited.

Bill

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:45 am
by Pete.Silson
Bill

Post-1935 I believe there were only three conrods used. These can be identified by the number on the conrod web i.e.

A7/339 (NH)
A7/473 (VH)
A7/524 (VB)

Post-1949 the rod numbers are the same but they are reinforced around the big-end eye.

Pete

Re: Ariel single crankshafts

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:02 pm
by Bill Mathison
Thanks Pete.Silson