Technical Questions: 1928 Model C

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cmfalco wrote: Page 16 of the 1928 'Owners Guide' says to drain the crankcase every 1000 miles,
p.s. The 'Owners' Guide' continues on to say the oil in the timing case should be drained at the same time, flushed, and refilled with 1/4 pint of oil. Following this 1000-mile procedure the oil supply screw should be turned fully on (i.e. the air screw turned all the way in) and the engine run "gently until the exhaust gas becomes blue..." How long will I have to run the engine before enough oil has accumulated in the bottom of the crankcase for that to happen?

There are approximately 20 drops of oil in a ml so at the "normal" rate of 10-20 drops/min. that's ~0.5-1 ml/min. Some fraction of that is burned (what fraction?), but once the crankcase is full to whatever level where the breather starts expelling it that means when steady state is reached ~0.5-1 ml/min. will be dumped on the road. What concerns me is that mine left behind more than a few ml on the driveway every time I stopped for a few seconds. Later I drained 80 ml from the crankcase but, if no oil were burned, even at a rate of 0.5 ml/min it would take less than three hours to accumulate that much. At an average speed of 25 mph that's less than 75 miles, which is far less than 1000. Given this, and the fact mine dumped "too much" oil on the driveway, is what concerns me. If I do need to be concerned, why, and if I don't need to be, why not?


As an estimate, covering 1000 miles at an average speed of 25 mph would take 40 hours (2400 min). At the above flow rate that means the oil consumption will be ~1.2-2.4 liters/1000 miles so I need to plan for 10 l of oil for next year's 4000 mile trip.
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My 27 uses about a pint every 700 miles or so, when used regularly the crankcases don't fill with oil, excess is burnt or breathed out of the engine. Be sure to turn the oil feed off when stopped or the oil will syphon into the engine. This will firstly make it hard to kick over and secondly a large cloud of smoke when you do start it.
So I drain the crank at after a long period of inactivity as a precaution.


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dave.owen wrote:My 27 uses about a pint every 700 miles or so,
Assuming an average speed of 20 mph that equates to about 9 drops/min., which is at the low end of values I've seen quoted (i.e. 10-20 drops/min.). Are you convinced this is a sufficient feed rate to keep the engine internals happy?
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Never had a problem, usual speed is between 30and 55+ mph, I try to gauge 20 drops per minute but as long as oiI is going in I'm not concerned by exact amounts.

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cmfalco wrote:that equates to about 9 drops/min.,
dave.owen wrote: I try to gauge 20 drops per minute
Ah, that must mean that Imperial droplets have twice the volume of generic ones. Since the volume of a sphere goes as dia. cubed, for that to be the case only requires an oil droplet to be 25% larger than a generic one.

If you're getting 700 miles to the pint it means I only need to have on hand ~3 quarts for my 4000-mile journey across the U.S. This is very useful information to have. Thanks.
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I think you will need to conduct your own road work to establish how much oil you need as every engine has its own character.

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dave.owen wrote:I think you will need to conduct your own road work to establish how much oil you need as every engine has its own character.
The two pieces of data you gave, 20 drops/min. and 1 pint/700 miles, establish the volume of an oil droplet independent of the engine. This means that, independent of the characteristics of my engine, If I also used 20 drops/min. I'd also consume 1 pint/700 miles (or 3/4 of that if I used 15 drops/min.).
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