Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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Re: Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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For those who haven't done the 'Viton O-ring conversion' -

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Of course, you need access to a lathe (or someone with one).

Somewhere there is a specification sheet for the insert - but I can't find mine. someone will be along shortly ;) .

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Re: Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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Thanks everyone for your advice. I like the o ring conversion but I have no access to a lathe. If I can get the dimensions of the inserts I will get some made.
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Re: Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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Still grinding the spigot......
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Re: Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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dennis.t wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:02 pm Thanks everyone for your advice. I like the o ring conversion but I have no access to a lathe. If I can get the dimensions of the inserts I will get some made.
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Aluminium will lap the iron as being soft, the bit's of abrasive end up embedded in it. Clean all trace of it away with a toothbrush and kero when you've finished. I think these motors used a ring head gasket but it is not essential if booth faces are dead true. nev
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Re: Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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nevhunter wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:43 am ...I think these motors used a ring head gasket...
Not officially.
I have seen one with a 'ring gasket' (a copper ring on top of the spigot) fitted. As I've never seen a source (or a reference) to 'ring gaskets for Ariels' I assume this must be adapted from another make, possibly Velocette.

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Julian, thank you for the top hat dimensions and drawing. Nev and Simon thank you for your input.
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Re: Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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The rule is head gaskets only used on iron heads 1952 onwards, ie. 2 years of 500 and 4 years of 350. Although it is not unusual to see home made things.
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Nice one Julian, I can see the lathe getting a bit of use tomorrow.
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Re: Problem lapping head to barrel on a '54 VH500

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I have seen one with a 'ring gasket' (a copper ring on top of the spigot) fitted. As I've never seen a source (or a reference) to 'ring gaskets for Ariels' I assume this must be adapted from another make, possibly Velocette.

I used a delaminated Velo head gasket on top of the liner spiggot of a HS alloy barrel, as the VHA head used had been reground too many times, and there was a leak/whistling sound when using the motor hard. One layer of the gasket was around 10 thou thick, which was enough to cure the problem.
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