1928 Ariel some wood and some tape ..
Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:04 am
Hello everyone,
This is my second post to this forum but this one is my introductory post. I am Damien. I have large sweaty paws and a hammer.
I also have a frame and I have a wheel. Well okay the wheel is Japanese and I have some lugs and some rust. I also have some tape and some wood. This is all going rather well so far. And before anyone tells me to give up and walk away I have had worse and this is only a flesh wound !
My plans are to first make a jig and sort the frame. Been here before but never with a lugged frame.
Anyway once I get the frame back together I will aim to get it up and rolling by sticking on to it whatever bits will sort it. A living bike is a bike that is far more likely to get the original parts it came with back on it. Being that it is a 1928 some of those parts are I have discovered not easy to find.
Right that is the introduction done. Now for some questions :
- The back end is where the real trouble is. Are the dimensions on the rear of this frame similar to any other Ariel that does have some drawings/dimensions? I am having real trouble finding any dimensions/drawings for a 1928 frame and I expect I am being a bit wishful in my thinking that such a drawing might exist.
- If no drawings exist has anyone else made a jig for a 1928 and do they have some measurements for that? Particularly for the back which is where it is all in pieces ( yes he said in pieces ) ...
- If I had pulled this out of a shed in say the 1950's and stuck it back together on an anvil with my hammer and tongs ( as evidenced by the arc welding holding it together ) and I was then preparing myself to ride it to a fight ( extra chunks of metal added to frame ) what pre-unit stand-up motor and box might I have selected for this a bike ?
- Same question as above for the front end. What other front ends might fit it?
I ask this because it would seem the rear mount for the box has been altered by somebody who may have done exactly this in the 50's. The engine mounts look to have been left alone but It has had big thick bits of steel welded under the lower frame all all the way from the motor lugs to the back and then a giant thick amount of metal and plate added around the gearbox mount and maybe a different plate for a different gearbox. Basically the whole bottom end of the frame has been welded up like the person doing it intended to jump the bike off a building ! What is strange about all this is that it seems to have been done to a frame that was straight. Rather than as repairs to a frame that was twisted. Somebody had a plan for it. I'd like to revisit that plan if I can.
Hoping somebody can help with my addiction.
Thanks ...
This is my second post to this forum but this one is my introductory post. I am Damien. I have large sweaty paws and a hammer.
I also have a frame and I have a wheel. Well okay the wheel is Japanese and I have some lugs and some rust. I also have some tape and some wood. This is all going rather well so far. And before anyone tells me to give up and walk away I have had worse and this is only a flesh wound !
My plans are to first make a jig and sort the frame. Been here before but never with a lugged frame.
Anyway once I get the frame back together I will aim to get it up and rolling by sticking on to it whatever bits will sort it. A living bike is a bike that is far more likely to get the original parts it came with back on it. Being that it is a 1928 some of those parts are I have discovered not easy to find.
Right that is the introduction done. Now for some questions :
- The back end is where the real trouble is. Are the dimensions on the rear of this frame similar to any other Ariel that does have some drawings/dimensions? I am having real trouble finding any dimensions/drawings for a 1928 frame and I expect I am being a bit wishful in my thinking that such a drawing might exist.
- If no drawings exist has anyone else made a jig for a 1928 and do they have some measurements for that? Particularly for the back which is where it is all in pieces ( yes he said in pieces ) ...
- If I had pulled this out of a shed in say the 1950's and stuck it back together on an anvil with my hammer and tongs ( as evidenced by the arc welding holding it together ) and I was then preparing myself to ride it to a fight ( extra chunks of metal added to frame ) what pre-unit stand-up motor and box might I have selected for this a bike ?
- Same question as above for the front end. What other front ends might fit it?
I ask this because it would seem the rear mount for the box has been altered by somebody who may have done exactly this in the 50's. The engine mounts look to have been left alone but It has had big thick bits of steel welded under the lower frame all all the way from the motor lugs to the back and then a giant thick amount of metal and plate added around the gearbox mount and maybe a different plate for a different gearbox. Basically the whole bottom end of the frame has been welded up like the person doing it intended to jump the bike off a building ! What is strange about all this is that it seems to have been done to a frame that was straight. Rather than as repairs to a frame that was twisted. Somebody had a plan for it. I'd like to revisit that plan if I can.
Hoping somebody can help with my addiction.
Thanks ...