Ariel Owners Motorcycle Club

A non member contacted me asking if I could confrm registration details regarding this bike which was the subject of a Buy it Now listing on Ebay. (The listing has now been removed). It was clearly a scam. But would it have been so obvious were the price to have been £8500 for example. I imagine the advert details were taken from a bone fide earlier listing. CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!!

This was a mail he received

"The bike is still for sale and available for viewing in Inverness. Al paperwork present. It belonged to my father who unfortunately passed away 3 months ago. The price is £4,750 incl. delivery anywhere within the UK mainland.

See below some info on the bike:

1957 MK2 Ariel square four. Restored in the early 80's to a high standard. Starts very easy and has plenty of get up and go. The engine is mechanically very quiet with no hint of smoke or anything else untoward.
Also included is an original dual seat. An excellent opportunity to own a good honest and slightly underrated motorcycle and when compared to Vincents very under valued."

And then he subsequently received the following:

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Item Title - Ariel Square Four 1957 4 Pipe 4G MK2
Transaction ID - 52943-ARIEL
Item Price - £4,750.00

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The last time was on I reported it, it was then removed to reappear yesterday.

Dave

There was someone going by the name of Tommy Baxter about three or four years ago who was operating this scam and he must have made a huge amount of money going by the number of times he was mentioned in blogs etc. It wasn't just ebay he was using - wanted ads in the Old Bike Mart, karting and other magazines would elicit a phone call from him offering the impossible to get parts. They were always of course in the North of Scotland or somewhere inaccessible.

Baxter was eventually caught and was found to be a serial fraudster. Coincidentally when he went to prison for a pathetically short length of time a lot of the vehicle scamming on ebay stopped. Then it suddenly restarted on an almost industrial scale - sometimes 90 posts were made for all types of vehicles. If you see what you think is a scam on ebay click on 'see other items' and you'll often see the seller is 'selling' everything from tractors to motorcycles - all at good or bargain prices. A reported scam will usually be removed within a day or two but this is all these people need to make their money.

Another scammer - a member of the VMCC preyed on people on this forum, the VMCC magazine wanted section and probably other clubs as well. He was the subject of a letter in the VMCC magazine a couple of years or so back as he had defrauded three people in the club (and probably more) including a vulnerable old gentleman. He was visited by the Police but of course they said it was a 'civil matter......

The guys seems to like Ariels:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARIEL-SQUARE- ... Sw~oFXKKYX

He's got 44 items listed 5 to 15 thousand pounds and no feedback whatsoever

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/end- ... ike-dealer

Not an ebay scam but something/someone to be aware of. This persons son now 'runs' the business.....

Selling something on someone's bahalf and not passing on the money has got to be fraud. But if someone's a director of a Ltd company for some reason they don't get prosecuted for it. About ten years ago I worked with someone who had somehow got himself a job as head of operations but was completely incompetent. It took over a year to get him out at which point it turned out he'd lied on his CV, got friends to give him references and had been the operations director a company in London from which he took £250,000 in 'loans' which he never paid back and solicited money from investors which he spent on himself. He admitted all this in court and was banned from being a company director for 11 years - that was it. He had in effect got away with stealing humdreds of thousands of pounds.