Half-width Brake
- simon.holyfield
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Half-width Brake
Folks,
I'be been having trouble with my front brake on and off since my SQ4 went back on the road late last year. This year it has had a lot of attention, and is a lot more effective than it was.
Yet it still 'groans' particularly when reversing but also moving forward, which is probably down to the cable being a little tight and the shoes still bedding it in.
However, I wanted to check:
Do your brake plates bend outward (in the direction of the arrow) by a few mm when the brake is applied?
I'be been having trouble with my front brake on and off since my SQ4 went back on the road late last year. This year it has had a lot of attention, and is a lot more effective than it was.
Yet it still 'groans' particularly when reversing but also moving forward, which is probably down to the cable being a little tight and the shoes still bedding it in.
However, I wanted to check:
Do your brake plates bend outward (in the direction of the arrow) by a few mm when the brake is applied?
cheers
Simes
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'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
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Simes
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'58 Huntmaster,
'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
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Re: Half-width Brake
How can you see that?
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Re: Half-width Brake
Quite easy in the garage. Never looked on the road!
Seriously, the whole brake plate moves a visible amount. I'm guessing that's not normal.
Seriously, the whole brake plate moves a visible amount. I'm guessing that's not normal.
cheers
Simes
'51 Square Four,
'58 Huntmaster,
'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
https://ariel-square-four.blogspot.com
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'58 Huntmaster,
'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
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Re: Half-width Brake
Sounds as though something is not as square as it should be. Brake shoes able to move out of true? Hub slightly conical? Play that should not be available?
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Re: Half-width Brake
I've had at least one half-width hub that used to move slightly when the brake was applied hard - not sure any movement was as much as a couple of mm, maybe just the one.
It's something slightly out of line - mine didn't rub and worked fine and as I couldn't spot anything obviously amiss I forgot about it....
SG
It's something slightly out of line - mine didn't rub and worked fine and as I couldn't spot anything obviously amiss I forgot about it....
SG
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Re: Half-width Brake
The brake shoe linings may have worn lopsided and when force applied the brake plate springs a bit. They are not actually that strong, and normally don't have to resist much force along the line of the axle axis. Check shoes for uneven wear. The springs may be distorting the way they sit, or the plate may be too close to the wheel hub. Something wrong with the bearing installation..Nev
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Re: Half-width Brake
How thick is the lining on a typical stock brake shoe?
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Simes
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'58 Huntmaster,
'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
https://ariel-square-four.blogspot.com
Simes
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'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
https://ariel-square-four.blogspot.com
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Re: Half-width Brake
My KH front brake plate moves exactly as you describe when the brake is applied but by about 0.1mm, according to my rough measurements with the vernier calipers. That brake does work, but is not the best of the type I have had. Equally, it is not the worst. It is a sod to set up well and goes out of adjustment in under 1000 miles but it is not bad enough to have made it to the top of the list of priorities for attention.
I replaced the dust cover with a stainless one which I attached with 4BA allen bolts, as is my habit. I have since wondered whether the original spot welds added to the rigidity of what is one of the flimsiest brake plates Ariel made.
I replaced the dust cover with a stainless one which I attached with 4BA allen bolts, as is my habit. I have since wondered whether the original spot welds added to the rigidity of what is one of the flimsiest brake plates Ariel made.
Paul Jameson
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Re: Half-width Brake
Well, I didn't expect two cracked shoes...
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Simes
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'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
https://ariel-square-four.blogspot.com
Simes
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'58 Huntmaster,
'42 W/NG,
'30 Model A
https://ariel-square-four.blogspot.com
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Re: Half-width Brake
If you are short of shoes, PM me.
Paul Jameson
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