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Crankshaft end float

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:02 am
by ann-marie.scott
The original publications recommend .002" end float. Dragonfly is recommending .005". Why the change?

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:51 am
by Roger Gwynn
Which bike would be involved here, it makes answering your question a little easier.

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:02 pm
by ann-marie.scott
I am restoring a 1958 Ariel Square 4..

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:16 am
by Roger Gwynn
The Draganfly web site says "The crankshaft end float should be .003” to .004” on the front crank and .005” to .006” on the rear. Ariels only ever listed shims to increase the end float, not to decrease it; these may occasionally be found fitted outside the timing side main bush." This is what is quoted in the Waller book. Checking the later 1956 owner's guide I see that Ariel say .002-.004 for both cranks. It should be a small amount to ensure that the cranks are not nipped up but as little as possible.

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:16 pm
by ann-marie.scott
My concern stems from twin cylinder BSAs who's oiling system is similar to the Ariel's; .006" is way too much, starves the left hand rod.

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:23 pm
by will_curry
Big difference between BSA (including Huntmasters) and Ariel 500s and Fours is that the
former have decent sludge traps which the latter don't and the latter have oil seal washers
on the outside of the timing side bushes which the former don't. BSA didn't get round to
fitting them until the A70 twins. 6 thou end float on a roller bearing A65 is indeed an
impatient disaster.

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:31 pm
by ann-marie.scott
The term oil seal washer is a tad odd; is there supposed to be any rubber on them? Mine, which appear to be original, are just plain steel. Did I mention that this is a bike in a box, disassembled in 1978?

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:39 pm
by will_curry
No rubber. As you say, just plain steel but I think they only fit one way round.

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:02 pm
by ann-marie.scott
The inside of the seal is beveled but it will fit either way.

Re: Crankshaft end float

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:36 pm
by paul.jameson
The bevelled side goes inwards, towards the main length of the crank. The bevel is to cope with the tiny radius at the change of crank section.